From Leviathana@nospam.selin.com Thu Apr 29 01:54:38 1999 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 13:16:43 GMT From: Orchyd Noir Reply-To: Leviathana@selin.com Newsgroups: alt.gothic Subject: Re: goth at Disneyland On Sun, 26 Oct 1997 16:22:47 -0800, Marco Villalobos wrote: :There are people out there who might embrace the 'gothic' identity :until death of age takes over...I have yet to meet such a person, because :more meaningful aspects of life tend to take over this identity :phase...ie family, career. One can still have a family and a career and maintain their "gothicism", if it still *fits* them. What, when one reaches a certain age, they must toss out all of their favourite CDs and replace them with Hanson or Mariah Carey? One must give all of their black clothing to the GoodWill and head to the mall for some bright, cheerful colours? One must give up one's love for the night, and all things dark? One must never go clubbing again, in full goth garb? If this is not what you are trying to get across, please do forgive me. But if it is what you mean then.. I do not understand your point of view. When I've finally decided upon my career, I can easily wear black pantsuits or skirts to work, mules, and silver jewelry. Gunmetal nailpolish can easily be substituted with the season's fashionable dark reds. Makeup is easily toned down, but can still reflect your personality. (No white-face, obviously, but I never cared for that anyways. My skintone stays. Mascara, dark brown eyeliner, a plum lipstick?) Certainly, black and purple hair won't be good for an office job. But Black Cherry hair works beautifully. To me, black is elegant, dignified, and when necessary, understated. Dark maroons, blues, greens, and even whites can be worn. Black overcoats are always in style. Now that we're past the appearance part of getting older, what of the aesthetic itself? Just try to stop liking your favourite music. Just try to stop watching Tim Burton and loving it. Just try to see an old Cathedral, reaching up into the sky, and not be filled with awe and beauty. I will never be able to supress these things. I do not want to. I shall not. This is me. This is the beauty I adore. Sure, my tastes will change over time, but I do not believe I shall ever lose my love for snow against a pitch-black sky, autumn leaves in the late-afternoon sun, my passion and excitement for Halloween. Never. :ever seen was a gothic couple in their twenties I believe, with children, :and their little baby dressed as a 'gothbaby.' Nothing I, or anybody :could do of such a sight, but I find imposing this type of image on :a powerless child utterly selfish, and disgusting. What, exactly, did they do? I'd dress my kid in black, occasionally. But I would probably purchase clothes on the basis of quality and price. If they were dyeing the child's hair, or putting makeup on it, well uh.. they would probably be better off with a Cabbage Patch doll. That is silly. But why not buy your little girl a black babydoll dress and black maryjanes? I think it would be adorrrrable. And a little silver pendant. Awww.. :You really think *that* is culture? I truly doubt a stable, reasonable :person would subject their children to this so called gothic culture. :Most parents must severley grow out of this phase once finer things in :life occur, such as children. It depends on the person. I would be a wonderful gothimama. My child will feel free to be the person that they want to be. If they love my music and my clothing, I would be happy. If they liked colours, or even (godforbid) pink, I would allow them to choose what they wanted for themselves. (Well, as long as it was a healthy choice. Being in a gang is not an option.. ugh, don't even want to think of that.) :Ask yourself, is this way of living going to be good for my future, :and family? I am sure many of the ex-gothics came to this conclusion :at one point in their life. If I can keep my dark identity without losing my job, alienating my future spouse and/or children, YES. Goth does not equal black lipstick, being freaky and angsty and depressed and clubbing! Argh! It is who you *are*! I did not "become goth" to join any subculture. Hell, in Milwaukee, there is no goth scene. :And for those who never plan on having children...well...I happen :to be a strong supporter of biological determinism...so...desiring :to never have children is almost absurd to me. I think having :a family will be one of the more beautiful fortunes my life will :ever experience. Life is beautiful. It might have hardships... :but it is still beautiful. Its worth everything. Would anyone believe me if I said that to me, goth is my celebration of *life*? This is me. I'm in it for the long haul. And I am happy. =) Carrie _.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:Leviathana @selin.com:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._ "...And so, being young and dipt in folly, I fell in love with melancholy..." ~Poe