From imgnrygirl@aol.com Thu Apr 29 02:03:30 1999 Date: 5 Dec 1997 13:22:55 GMT From: ImgnryGirl Newsgroups: alt.gothic Subject: Re: mirror mirror on the wall... >From: "Lily of the Alley" >Date: Thu, Dec 4, 1997 23:24 EST >you talk about this 'trolling' thing... you whine about subjects >dealing with drinking too much, what makes goth 'goth', you announce >eating habits... someone comes along with something to discuss, breaks >up the giddy giddy high school reunion with something that takes but a >bit of thinking and you have a hissy... Yes... that's right... alt.gothic was consumed with moronic babbling.. that is... until you came here... and shed a wonderfully clever and intelligent light upon it's darkened, medieval existence.... Granted... it's in a period of decline.. but that always happens, and things will bounce back again.... (after all of the bullshit is scooped up and dumped into the proverbial trash can..) and would do so quite well without your enlightening words, of how foolish and pathetic we seem to you... But I digress. > that FAQ list was a laugh... The FAQ is there to explain what is and what is not acceptable in this group. If these are disregarded, and go unchecked, and if no one gives a good goddamn about the welfare of this place that some of us have grown very fond of... it will be no better than the alt.sex heirarchy. Would you let anyone into your home, and just make a mess where ever they wished? No.. there are certain rules to abide in one's home.. especially if you are a guest in that home.. you would be polite, and respect the home.. treat it well.. abide by the rules.. or your ass would be thrown out, and you would never be welcome again. >this 'netiquette' shit is CLIQUEY AS ALL HELL... Well, call me goofy, but if you were a guest in *my* home, and called me cliquey as all hell because I got upset when you left your empty bags, cigarette butts, and bottles all over my white carpet (OK, black carpet ), I would take it upon myself to shove those bags and cans up your ass, and throw you out onto the front steps. MY house, MY rules. Don't like 'em? Then get the fuck out, and don't let the door smack you in the ass (or the steps damage your face too horribly) on the way out. >but yet, you want to >be your OWN person, make your OWN decisions... Exactly. Since Usenet is basically anarchy, one must create a bit of order so the place may be enjoyed. Granted, alt.gothic is more like a squat than a home. The squat was abandoned, but some moved in here, and decorated, and brought in food, and wine, and music, and friends. The place never belonged to them in the first place, but no-one actually minds that they stay there. People would come and go, tho' some of those who made the place beautiful in the first place eventually left. Still, others came to take their place, and keep the squat warm and pleasant. Some merely drop by, never to be seen again. Yet others come to stay all the time. So, in a way, the place *is* their home. Since they take care of it, and make it a lovely place to visit, disrespect and food-fights are definitely out of the question. Is this making sense to you yet..? >afraid your children >might grow up to be consvatives that fall into the circle of things... >well, redefine that circle cause you're just as guilty... Everyone alive is guilty of this, being part of the circle of things. Different circles, different terms of acceptance and usage. Deal with it. It's life. >i have had some fabulous debates with some people... met some really >interesting and nice people... but there are some people that just >love to drag others down with them... If you could be respectful towards the group, and observe netiquette (throw your trash in the wastebasket, please, use the ashtray, not the hardwood table..!), and oh yes, refrain from insulting those who are trying to show you the appropriate way to behave in this particular place, you quite probably would be welcomed. However, you have seen fit to *throw* a fit when rules aren't automatically bent just for you. That is simply unacceptable, and denotes a childish disposition. >do yourself a favour... STOP AND THINK ABOUT YOURSELF FOR JUST A >MOMENT... why can you not just relax? Here, allow me to crank the music up in your home, even though the walls are thin, you live in an apartment, and it is two in the morning. Stop, just relax...! >enjoy meeting people and not >feel like you HAVE to be so bitter and rude to be 'gothic and cool'... Pure bullshit. Don't you see? You are behaving very rudely. You can't go to a club and act like a nitwit, picking fights, flashing people..! Others were there before you, and like this place, and would like to *keep* it a nice place to convene. Surely, they do not own this place, but it is their haven. If you still do not behave, and get a bit *too* outlandish, the police can always be called... (hinthint: Your ISP) Behave. Now. Or... LEAVE. >some of the younger ones that come in here asking if they are 'goth' >and what not... i feel for them, because they just MIGHT take some of >the more rude ones in this group seriously, and they shouldnt. Hopefully they'd learn that manners are essential to getting along in society, and becoming a productive member thereof. >i refuse to fully leave this group... but as far as this arguement >goes, it's over... Yes.. and if you continue to screw up.. it *is* over. > i have nothing further to say. i do hope the >uptight take yoga or anger managment to help them... nothing will kill >you, unless you let it. And I hope you will realize that if you wish to join in this little game, you will learn to abide by the rules, or accept the fact that you will be *ejected*. Truly, people like you give new posters a horrible name. I see some of the older members of this group speaking of how insipid, dull, and just plain brain-dead some of the newbie posters are. I try my damnest to offer something to this community, because I like it here. I like it a lot. Alt.gothic has ALREADY changed my life, and I've only been posting since August. Still, even though I know that I am hardly brain-dead, or totally clueless, I always *cringe* when I hear the Newbie Lament. Deep down I always wonder if I am one of those that annoys the ElderAlt.Gothen with my senseless prattle. No, YOU are not responsible for all of the shit that has found it's way into here, but you are most *certainly* not helping things out one fucking bit. I have found here, what I can not find IRL.. intelligence. Wit. Debate. Challenge. People who are actually interested in many of the same things that I am. People with beautiful minds, hearts, souls. Not just the dull, expressionless grey faces that I see every day. I adore this newsgroup, and damned if I am going to let one poster garbage it up, and ruin it for everyone else. "We're fascist net.cops. Deal." Indeed. Carrie .....Carrie.....The Imaginary Girl..... .....also known as Leveathana..&..Orchyd Noir..... ^o^ ICQ UIN: 5159158 ^o^