From scmoore@uclink2.berkeley.edu Sun May 9 12:02:37 1999 Date: 7 May 1995 09:06:00 GMT From: Emeraldas Newsgroups: alt.gothic Subject: Re: Looking for young Goth virgins (seriously) One last thing, just to clear things up in terms of peoples idea of my sex life, because there's been alot of misunderstandings: I do NOT limit my scope of sexual partners to those under the age of 20. I've been with 34 year olds into the S&M scene, 30 year old 5'3 Philipino Death Rockers _as well as_ 16 year old half-Japanese virgins who were taller than me. (I'm petite.) All I ever meant to empart is that I was not ageist, that there's nothing shameful 'bout encouraging beautiful young consenting males to be comfortable with their sexuality, There's nothing shameful in getting some education in S&M with someone older and more experienced either. All experiences if both partners are consenting, there's trust involved, and they treat each other with maturity and respect, are beautiful. I never intended to insult anyone. I had not cast that first stone. When someone calls what I do "pathetic", then tells me that *they* are not like *I* am, I find that a "holier than thou" attitude. It is a moral condemnation. I never intended my *very first response* to be read as an insult to oddlystrange. I was defending myself. That was it. Unfortunately it snow-balled into something really silly. And I regret any part I played to spur it on. All I ever really want to see is alt.gothic be as tolerant as they would wish the rest of society to be, tho isn't. When I got into the Death Rock scene, I had Punk friends,hippy friends, gamer friends, black friends, East Indian friends, Cholo friends, ......You get the picture? It's all 'bout listening to each other, getting to know each other, respecting each other's differences. They all could dig that fact that I dressed weird and listened to weird music, and I would say they listened to weird music and dressed weird, but it was all not with hate tho', and we'd play music for each other and listen, and that's how come the Bay Area music scene is so blended. There's Klezmer/mariachi bands, rap/industrial/punk/thrash bands, folk/goth/indie/blues bands. etc. That kinda thing does not grow out of intolerance and people not listening to each other. I was hella Death Rock, pretty much the only "Goth" in my circle of friends, for the most part. They could dig that, and they respected my conviction and dedication to my own "freaky" style. I was sad to see, when I started meeting more "Goths" in clubs in S.F., or at the old "Twillight Zone" in Alameda, how intolerant they were of differences. Goth/deathrock is a cool thing guys. Don't be afraid to kick it proudly with different people. They look at us sometimes with curiousity and shy admiration, believe it or not. I cannot tell you how many times I've had someone come up to me and say that they've always wanted to talk/meet someone who looked like me, but they were afraid I'd be really stuck up. Usually this comes from someone who looks like someone I would be afraid to approach as well. And I'm always genuinely touched when these barriers of racist/ageist/classist/subculture-ist fear are broken down. Don't be ashamed of who you are, dont' feel you have to change, and don't be afraid to let others see the beauty of your culture. ---goodnight all. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 999 Emeraldus 999 999 the Free Space Trader -+-@ 999 -------------------------------------------------------------------------